Conversational Selling Nancy Calabrese

About Christian Palmer: Christian Palmer is the Senior Manager of Sales Enablement at Justt, the only company fighting chargeback disputes for merchants and winning. Christian's background includes working as an L&D Consultant/Sales Trainer at Phaidon International, where they provided foundational academy training to new consultants and coached and mentored them on both team and individual levels. Christian also worked as a Clinical Consultant at ProClinical, a global recruitment company specializing in the life sciences industry. Earlier in their career, Christian worked as an Associate Consultant at Real Staffing, an international pharmaceutical recruitment agency, and as a Corporate Recruiter/HR Associate at Dutch-X. Christian began their professional journey at Apple, where they served as an Expert. Christian Palmer, M.S.Ed., has diverse experience in sales enablement, recruitment, learning and development, and leadership roles. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Christian.

In this episode, Nancy and Christian discuss the following:
• Definition of sales enablement
• Importance of sales enablement within a company
• Necessary tools for enablement
• Role of sales playbook in enablement
• Enablement in one-person teams vs. global departments
Key Takeaways:
o It's of tremendous value to businesses to bring somebody who can identify the gaps first, then fill them in and be the main voice for the salespeople.
o I've only seen playbooks succeed at larger organizations with more structure and infrastructure.
o Everything you say will not be listened to if you don't have it.

"Sales enablement can be defined in a number of different ways. Because it is such a newer field, it tends to get mis-defined if that's a phrase all the time. And the best way for me to describe it is essentially twofold. I'll probably start with the more form formal definition of it. That is to provide the tools, resources, skills, processes, and infrastructure for sellers to enable them to be more efficient, skilled, and proficient with their actual product offering to sell more effectively over time. That is the more formal side, but I would say maybe something a little bit softer that I guess you could say is more layperson's terms for folks is going to be that I am more or less bridge or support system or the voice of the salespeople. And that can stretch across different cross-functional teams to senior leadership and stakeholders and be able to bridge that gap between what's going on in the ground with sellers and what's happening strategically in the organization." – CHRISTIAN
"In probably an ideal world is that you have your LMS, your learning management system, that you're able to create content with and a CMS, a content management system, of which you're able to organize that content of what you made in the LMS into a digestible format for sellers and anybody else looking at it. Both of those tools, more so the CMS, should be able to help you measure success rates of reps over time. That could be done in a number of ways, through their behaviors, actions, and results, corresponding those specific results to maybe some items that they had done during the onboarding within that CMS. But those are probably the main tools. You could throw in another authoring tool or whatnot if you wanted to facilitate making even more differentiated content, like maybe an articulate or something along those lines. Any place that doesn't have either of those. It will be a bit more of a lift for an enabler to assemble something. Those tools make it a lot easier. But there's a ton of them out there. It's hard to know what's going to be best." - CHRISTIAN
"I think the easiest way, or the standard way you'll see amongst most enablers, especially those with sales experience, is leveraging that you've been there before. Of course, this gets harder the longer you're not in a sales role. The harder it's

About Jeff Savlov: Jeff Savlov is the Founder of Blum & Savlov, LLP, and consults with business families, legacy wealth families, and the advisors who serve them. He brings more than 30 years of unique experience in sales and marketing, business ownership, entrepreneurial endeavors, family dynamics/psychological training, and a common-sense style to his consulting work with families. By integrating his diverse business background, extensive academic work, and family dynamics/psychological training with his experience working in his family's commercial printing business, Jeff helps enterprising families balance family and business/wealth so both will thrive for generations. Jeff has consulted on relationship and team dynamics with Fortune 500 companies such as Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, and Schering Plough. He also devotes a portion of his time to performance enhancement with corporate executives and elite high school athletes. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Jeff.

In this episode, Nancy and Jeff discuss the following:
• The role of the Sandler methodology in understanding client needs and building relationships
• Jeff's background and journey into family consulting
• The challenges faced by wealthy families and the specialized assistance they require
• Strategies for acquiring clients: speaking engagements and referrals
• Jeff's unique approach to using Metallica's story in his workshops
Key Takeaways:
o It's easy to idealize being wealthy, but there are many challenges.
o One of my areas is parenting in the context of family wealth and how to start when kids are young to raise them so that those values will remain there when they learn about money.
o DISC is excellent for people who don't have the training to help them think about the general categories that people fall into.

"I got trained as a family therapist. After grad school, I did another seven years of training in a psychoanalytic institute for seven years. Like I said, I got fully certified and started a private practice doing talk therapy 30 years ago. And just by coincidence, some of my early therapy clients also had significant wealth or family businesses. I was working with them as a therapist, and I could see that there was a need that was different than therapy, but that lawyers, accountants, and wealth managers didn't have the training and background to go into the family dynamic side. So, I saw an opportunity to do something that was not therapy but between what a therapist and business consultants do. I started to work slowly and consult with families. Again, I'm not working on finance taxes or operations. I'm helping families develop strong family teams and work together two or three generations at a time. Now that people are living longer, you can easily have, you know, 80-year-olds, 50-year-olds, and 20-year-olds working together. I help them work together, develop leadership, communicate well, and make transitions from one generation to the next, helping the senior generation step back, give the next generation opportunity, and developing the next generation to step up and take over." – JEFF
" In terms of meeting people and those early stages when I'm trying to decide if I want to work with them and they're trying to decide if they want to work with me, Sandler has been incredibly valuable. And what I just said is really at the heart of it. Sandler talks about a level playing field. So, it's not like, "Hey, I'm the poor guy with the poor schmuck with something to sell. I hope you'll buy it." It's more like I have something of value; I'm looking for people who need it, have pain around it that I can solve, and have respect for what I bring. And they're looking for someone to help them with their pain, and it's mutual. And Sandler, that part of the Sandler attitude is that it's a level playing field but a two-way street. I'm not just looking for anyone who'll hire me. An

About Dave Kahle: Dave Kahle is the President of Kahle Way Sales Systems, a company where they help CEOs and VPs of Sales for Wholesale Distributors increase sales, gain market share, and significantly increase the ROI from their salespeople in 15-30 minutes a week. He is a B2B sales expert and Christian business thought leader. Dave helps his clients increase their sales and improve their sales productivity. He's written twelve books, presented in 47 states and eleven countries, and has helped enrich tens of thousands of salespeople and transform hundreds of sales organizations. Sign up for his free weekly Ezine. Three international entities recognized his book, How to Sell Anything to Anyone Anytime, as "one of the five best English language business books." Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Dave.

In this episode, Nancy and Dave discuss the following:
• The importance of sales processes
• Importance of sales processes: big picture vs. day-to-day
• Strategies to make prospects comfortable: first impressions, appropriate dressing, sharing personal details, effective questioning
• Investing in sales managers: their impact on salespeople's behaviors
• Virtual selling: increased need for thorough preparation
• Use of "snippets" in sales conversations and their value in everyday life
Key Takeaways:
o Sharing something personal and unique about yourself breaks the barriers between you and the customer.
o The depth and detail of your question have a lot to do with how you make people comfortable with you.
o The sales managers are the in-between step between management and salespeople.
o Everybody can sell better if they choose to. They can.
"In that book, we talk about two different levels of sales process. The big-picture sales process is what a sales organization and the salesperson do over time. And then what I call the day-to-day or the nitty-gritty sales process is what a salesperson does with a customer or a prospect. […] Let me talk about the nitty-gritty sales process and how it relates to everyday activity. So, the first step in the prospect is to engage with the right people. And that can trump everything else. If you spend your time with the wrong people, no matter how well you do everything else, it's a waste of time. So, step one is to engage with the right people. Step two is to make them comfortable with you. Because if they're uncomfortable with you, they won't react transparently and honestly. Step three: find out what they want. And again, there's a whole body of content surrounding each of these. I mean, a couple of days' training for each of these. The next step is to show them what you have given them and what they want. And again, that applies to anything, anywhere, anytime. That's why it's the title of the book. Then, you agree on the next step. And again, each one of these can be at least a couple of training days. At that point, you follow up because the decision is typically made in the business-to-business world. The decision to buy is typically made when you're not there. So, you follow up and leverage satisfaction with this, which salespeople often neglect to do, but to leverage satisfaction into additional internal or external opportunities. And then you know what? You're back where you started from. So that's the process. That's the process that an individual salesperson uses to relate and sell anybody, anything. You have to do all those things regardless." – DAVE
"There's a whole lot of things, like number one, that is so often overlooked, and that is to make an excellent first impression—to look like you, to sound like someone that people can talk to and relate to. So that's step one. And then there are so many things, like, for example, how you dress. I have a rule—you should dress like your customer, only a little better. So, if you're a man wearing a suit and tie, calling on farmers, I mean, your suit and tie is separat

About Craig Lowder: Craig Lowder is the Founder and President of the Main Spring Sales Group, a specialized client acquisition consultancy focused on creating significant, predictable and sustainable sales growth for successful Financial Advisors, Consultants and Business Leaders making a 6-7 Figure Income seeking a strategic senior-level sales executive on a part-time, contract basis to develop and execute sales strategy, including sales process development, performance management systems, and ensure sales execution. With a 30-year track record of helping business owners and sales teams achieve their goals, as author of two highly-rated books, Smooth Selling Forever and Trusted Advisor Confidential℠, and as Founder and President of the Main Spring Sales Group, Craig has learned that success in sales comes down to three things: process, teamwork and access to experience that shortens the learning curve. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Craig.

In this episode, Nancy and Craig discuss the following:
• Craig’s journey into sales
• The importance of understanding buyer journeys and aligning sales strategies accordingly
• The specifics of Craig's target industries
• The value of choosing the right fit for sales roles within organizations
• Assessments in hiring salespeople: value or harm?
• Exploration of Craig’s new book “Trusted Advisor Confidential”
• Recommendations on maintaining a healthy sales funnel
• Increasing importance and the shift in buyer behavior towards virtual selling
Key Takeaways:
o The basis of selling is understanding the person that you're talking to from a professional as well as a personal level so that you can communicate with them effectively.
o A professionally statistically valid assessment helps you to determine what you're looking at is real.
o We were going towards virtual selling prior to COVID and COVID was just like the spark plug that initiated the change.
o If you think effective virtual selling is a 20-to-30-minute conversation at max, maybe 40, but the shorter the better.
"I have not found a company yet that has a defined, documented sales recruiting process. Step by step: what are the steps, who's involved, what are the desired outcomes? So, number one: having a documented sales hiring process. Number two: developing filtering questions based on the characteristics that you're seeking, so that you can also build an interview scorecard, which will tell you whether they're a good fit for your organization." – CRAIG
" I've been on a four-decade journey of being a trusted advisor, a salesperson, a business development person, a new client acquisition person. And I saw a huge gap out there for individuals who are in business. The only way that they can earn a living is by eating what they sell. Unfortunately, whether they're financial advisors, commercial bankers, insurance brokers, consultants, coaches, and even marketing firms, they're very, very good at delivery, but they're not very competent or competent in developing new clients, having a process to do that. And with those, in many cases, particularly those who have letters after their name (PhD, JD, even MBA, I can say that because I have one of those), they go, "No, no, no, selling is too far below me." So, in the book, we don't use the word selling, but that's really what it is. If you were to ask every one of them, "Would you like to have more of the right fit clients?" Unanimously, they're going to say, "Yes." Well, as you and I know, that's technically business development and social selling. But it's like taking the curse off the call by talking client acquisition. So, trusted advisor confidential is about communicating to them what are the six stars (and we're using that in celestial terms) that they need to follow to successively build a book of business filled with right fit clients and significantly increase their personal income. And those star

About Natalie Doyle Oldfield: Natalie Doyle Oldfield is the President of Success Through Trust, which works with some of the world's most successful companies to increase sales, become more profitable, and increase customer trust and loyalty. She is also a keynote speaker, trainer, and thought leader. Natalie is the author of The Power of Trust: How Top Companies Build, Manage and Protect It. Success Through Trust has developed a methodology and award-winning programs based on this research. The book was named one of the Top 5 business books of 2017 by the Chronicle Herald. Natalie was named a Top Thought Leader in Trust by Trust Across America Trust Around the World in 2018 and 2017. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Natalie.

In this episode, Nancy and Natalie discuss the following:
• The fundamental importance of trust in business relationships
• Natalie's experience as a chief marketing officer during the 2008 financial crisis
• The role of trust in business-to-business transactions
• The outcome of Natalie's research: Trust is a fundament of every buying decision in business-to-business environments
• Why customers are willing to pay more for products and services from trusted companies
Key Takeaways:
o I created a proprietary framework and a model to help people build these relationships of trust with their customers and colleagues.
o Trust is what the most successful companies have in common.
o People and companies that are focused on building relationships of trust are the ones that are going to be most successful.
o Everybody can learn how to build a relationship or strengthen a relationship of trust and we can all cultivate and develop these skills.
"There is nothing more important than trust. And if we think about it, every single decision we make comes down to trust. First, we decide: do we trust? Then, we decide: are we going to listen? Afterward, we decide if we're going to have a conversation. Following that, we decide if we're going to look at someone's capabilities. We make these decisions subconsciously. In fact, in every business and personal relationship, trust plays a crucial role. Because I know most of your listeners are either working in a business, own a business, or are leaders in a business, trust is involved in every single relationship we have. It's the most important question everyone has." – NATALIE
"I became deeply intrigued by how customers decide to buy in a business-to-business environment that I went back to school. I did graduate research, which led me to the science of trust. My master's thesis revolved around how people decide to buy in such environments. I found out quite quickly that it all starts with trust. First, we decide to trust, then we decide to buy. And you know, lonely wolf, there's a wonderful, very, very strong, much stronger than when I started 10 years ago, business case for learning and cultivating and developing relationships of trust. And, you know, worldwide, as we know, people buy from people they trust. Well, the fact is that 80% of us buy from a company or an organization we trust. And we pay more. We pay more when we trust. If I'm going to go out for a coffee, I'm going to pay more for a Starbucks coffee because I trust that coffee. I trust the company. I know they know how to create and make an amazing coffee and it's consistent. It tastes the same just like we know in business-to-business environments companies that will provide us with services we trust, or advice we trust, or products that are safe and secure to use, or are going to do what they say they're going to do. So that's how I got into it." – NATALIE
"We all decide to trust. We make, as I mentioned, a subconscious decision. And we make that decision based on another person's communication, how they behave, and how they service us. So, it really comes down to these three components, Nancy. So, when you and I are buying a product or

About Tom Ruwitch: Tom Ruwitch is the Founder of Story Power Marketing, where he helps clients discover the building blocks for prospect-focused stories. In 2001, Tom founded the email marketing software and services company MarketVolt — before most business people had even heard of email marketing. He helps execute marketing campaigns to engage with prospects, convert sales, and maximize customer relationships. He sold MarketVolt in 2019 and founded Story Power Marketing. Today, coaches, authors, and other experts hire Tom to power up their stories because most dish out the same old boring content that turns off prospects, and then they feel frustrated and stuck. So Tom helps them transform content from prospect-repelling to client-attracting, turn marketing from frustrating to fun, and convert results from subpar to superb. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Tom.

In this episode, Nancy and Tom discuss the following:
• The best thing that can happen in your content is for somebody to read it see it or hear it and think.
• Storytelling can be a really important element of the content that you put out.
• The lesson is delegate and she can tell endless anecdotes or build endless stories to deliver that.
• You have to write in your own voice, produce videos in your own voice, and tell stories that are drawn from what you discover about your prospects and your clients, not with AI.


Key Takeaways:
o I do not engage with any company for under three months, ideally six months.
o In the majority of startups and small businesses, all the sales are typically made by the founder or, in small business cases, the president or CEO of the company.
o I had always wanted to do something on my own.
o It's interesting how you can be fueled by the sales piece and the environment in which you sell.
"And what people need to understand that they need to do with their content is they need to inform and entertain and that's where storytelling comes in. When you deliver valuable information in a more captivating way, that's more story powered, more entertaining, you draw people in, you make the content more relatable and you're more likely to be the one to stand out in your niche.” – TOM
"I would say that listening and empathy are probably the most important qualities because what it’s about is not just tell, tell. This is what I know and I'm going to tell you everything I know. That's not what it's about. What it's about is hearing and watching and empathizing and understanding what is it that my prospects and clients are feeling and how is it that I can transform them from a feeling of, you know, one feeling to another, from a feeling of frustration to relief, from a feeling of fright to courage, from a feeling of stuck to free. It's almost always about emotional transformation. Even in business-to-consumer products, it's that way. But certainly, in business to business that it's almost always an emotional transformation and understanding and paying attention to the feelings of your prospects and clients and using that as the basis to assemble stories is what it's all about." – TOM
"There are businesspeople who think that somehow storytelling is not professional, or it's beneath them, and that: “No, I'm going to write a 1500-word white paper”, or “I must be serious”. And my response is that storytelling in and of itself is not a frivolous activity. There are a lot of frivolous, meaningless silly stories that are being dished out. You know, storytelling is a big buzzword right now in marketing and online. And so, there are a lot of people who just think, oh, I'm going to tell a funny story for stories sake, and that's going to be great. Well, no, it's not great unless the prospect or the client can see themselves and unless there is a lesson and meaning in that story. But those who believe that I don't like stories, or I will be considered something less than professi